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#1 Guernica

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 01:10 PM

I was looking through the wikipedia thread, and i thought to myself, hey, i haven't checked it out in a while. so i go over there, and i notice that it says concertina was written about an ex-ATDIer. so i figure it has to be about Jim (I mean, come on, the word "ward" is in the song), but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this. and no, i couldn't find it in search, and there's no place in shrouded in veils to put this.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 02:01 PM

I was looking through the wikipedia thread, and i thought to myself, hey, i haven't checked it out in a while.  so i go over there, and i notice that it says concertina was written about an ex-ATDIer.  so i figure it has to be about Jim (I mean, come on, the word "ward" is in the song), but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this.  and no, i couldn't find it in search, and there's no place in shrouded in veils to put this.

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It's Ben he is signing about actually.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 02:15 PM

ahhh, old ben

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 03:09 PM

Yes, I think Cedric has even stated that it's about how this member had driven Julio Venegas to suicide or something to that effect.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 03:42 PM

Yes, I think Cedric has even stated that it's about how this member had driven Julio Venegas to suicide or something to that effect.

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Yeah--I think it's in the FAQ but I'm not exactly sure if that's where I read it

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 03:47 PM

Yeah, and he talked about him being a sociopath.

"There are a lot of fucked up.. er, I mean, there are psychopaths and there are sociopaths, and this guy was a sociopath."


.. or something like that.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 03:59 PM

Yepples.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 06:38 PM

Concertina is also an instrument. My friend has one.

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 06:44 PM

is ben supposed to be moatiliatta? methinks i remember reading that

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 01:29 AM

I like Concertina

by the way, what’s the definition or what that instrument does, sounds etc…
Do you have pic’s of the small accordion with small keys?

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 01:48 AM

who is ben?

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 05:50 AM

who is ben?

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I second this question, I'm not much for the whole ATDI history thing.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 06:16 AM

who is ben?

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I second this question, I'm not much for the whole ATDI history thing.

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Ben is the backup guitarist of At The Drive-In. I'm not sure about his connection but Concertina, but he was also the main man of Sparta.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 06:31 AM

who is ben?

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Ben is the backup guitarist of At The Drive-In. I'm not sure about his connection but Concertina, but he was also the main man of Sparta.

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Kinda.

Ben was the 2nd guitarist for At The Drive-in during the recording of El Gran Orgo and the following tour, in which he was kicked out of ATDI. He is not the main man of Sparta.

edit: Cedric has also confirmed that Concertina is about Ben.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 05:49 PM

who is ben?

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Ben is the backup guitarist of At The Drive-In. I'm not sure about his connection but Concertina, but he was also the main man of Sparta.

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Kinda.

Ben was the 2nd guitarist for At The Drive-in during the recording of El Gran Orgo and the following tour, in which he was kicked out of ATDI. He is not the main man of Sparta.

edit: Cedric has also confirmed that Concertina is about Ben.

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so he was replaced by jim? and is not in sparta at all?

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 06:50 PM

Ben had nothing to do with Sparta.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 07:25 PM

so he was replaced by jim?

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Jim left ATDI for a short while, that was when Ben filled his place. When ATDI had kicked Ben out and came back from their tour, Jim rejoined the band.

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 12:59 AM

Can someone explain this a little bit, the whole "Condemnation" of Ben. What happened, and what are the lines from the song?

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 01:07 AM

cedric never states in ny interview that it is about ben
look for it you wont find it

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 01:34 AM

cedric never states in  ny interview that it is about ben
look for it you wont find it

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Interview with Cedric Bixler, Mon 24.03.2002, Leeds Cockpit.

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CB - Cedric Bixler
MR - Mike Randall

MR - A lot of your lyrics seem kind of abstract. I, to be honest, can't actually work out what the majority of the At The Drive-In and Mars Volta songs are actually about at all. Are they deliberately written as abstract lyrics, or do they all have a thread to them and a meaning to the individual songs which is known only to you?
CB - Well, certain songs are known only to us, and then certain songs have an obvious meaning to them, but now I write stuff with Jeremy. Jeremy does our the vocal effects, and hes a fantastic writer and hes a ... hes one of the spirits from El Paso that I learned a lot from, like theres a lot of people that we used to hang out with in, like, 1993 when we were experimenting with a lot of drugs and stuff, and when it came to experimenting we experimented with a lot of different writing techniques as well, it wasn't just music. So I've been in a band with Omar and Jeremy for a really long time, and it just changed different names the whole time, so its ... sometimes the way we write now can be deliberately like "decipher your own message", and sometimes it can be like, we have a song called Concertina, and that song is about one of the people who should probably be in The Mars Volta right now who passed away. He took his own life a long time ago, and it deals with, not necessarily the whole emo thing of "oh I miss you", but this certain friend of ours, his name is Julio Vanegas, he took his life for a certain reason, and someone pushed him over the edge to do it, and I know that person, and this song, to me, is a way of calling out that person and its basically accusing them of killing our friend. And so, its like, there are some songs that are just blatant and there are some songs which don't make sense to people, but thats the way we write them, you know.

MR - Does that person actually know that the songs about them?
CB - No. That person actually used to play in At The Drive-In and we kicked him out mid-tour.

MR - Oh, was that Ben? CB - Yeah, it was Ben. He had a mental breakdown, and a lot of people questioned us for kicking him out, a lot of people thought we kicked him out because he was bigger than us, and everyone thought that At The Drive-In had this weight agenda, and it was ridiculous. The same kind of thing that The Locust go through. But he knows. I let him know when we kicked him out, but hes a little mental, you know, hes on drugs and psychiatric help and he understands and there were a lot of people around when that whole incident happened that don't really wanna touch it.

MR - You took him off the El Gran Orgo list, right?
CB - Yeah, we didn't list him. We didn't list him, yeah. It was our way of ... it was our way of saying "fuck you" to him, basically. I mean, thats my ... thats where I come from. You can ask everyone in At The Drive-In and they might tell you something different but thats why I didn't want him to be listed on the album. Because theres a lot of fucked up ... er ... I mean, theres sociopaths and theres psychopaths, you know, and he was a sociopath. Concertina is about the sociopath, and to me its about calling him out for what he did. And I lost a friend over it. I lost a friend over it and to this day we miss him immensely, and we have a song about him and he taught us everything you need to learn about art. He taught us what it was like to be an artist every day, whether you shit, breathe or fucking just do art. I learned it from Julio, you know, and I think its appropriate that we celebrate his spirit, you know.


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