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#1 kulturkorv

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 11:55 PM

just saw mike stern, richard bona, dennis chambers play an incredible set (there was a saxophone dude too but I didn't know him). It was in a little jazzclub too I stod about 2 m from the stage it was awesome. They played for like 3 hours with a little break after 2 hours. It was probably the best show i've ever seen in my entire young life. They were so incredibly tight and they just owned the stage.

Share your experiences! :ol_cool:

Here are some killer jazz albums for beginners

Some established accessible "classic" albums [not particularly ordered]:

Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Miles Smiles, The Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew, In A Silent Way, A Tribute to Jack Johnson
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme, My Favorite Things, Giant Steps, Blue Train
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage, Head Hunters, Empyrean Isles
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah-Um, Oh Yeah, Let My Children Hear Music, The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners, Genius of Modern Music Vol. 1 and 2, Straight No Chaser
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'

More adventurous territory:

Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch, Out There
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come, Free Jazz
Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert, The Vienna Concert, La Scala
John Coltrane - Ascension
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
Archie Shepp - The Cry Of My People, Four For Trane

Miscellaneous:

Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Boy Named Charlie Brown
Marylin Crispell - Amaryllis
Orchestre National de Jazz - Charmediterraneen
The John Abercrombie "Gateway" Band - Gateway I
Bobby Hutcherson - Components
Charles Lloyd - Sangam
Dorothy Ashby - Afro-Harping

EDIT: I just want to add that I did not make this very good list of bands. Someone else did. The cred goes to that person. Err, whoever that is. Agra :)

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 11:59 PM

"Oh, oh: you see, the kids, they listen to the rap music which
gives them the brain damage. With their hippin', and the
hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin', so they don't know what the jazz...is all about! You see, jazz is like the Jello Pudding Pop -- no, actually, it's more like Kodak film -- no,actually, jazz is like the New Coke: it'll be around forever, heh
heh heh. "

- Bill Cosby

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:30 AM

Jones
Ayler
Zorn
Zawinul

Irst
Stitt

Armstrong
Webster
Evans
Short
Oliver
Mingus
Ellington

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 02:45 AM

My live experiences are slim to none, but I do love me some recorded jazz a hell of a lot.

I dare say it's the best music genre there is. Inherently.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 03:57 AM

I just got done listening to one of my old Thelonious Monk live LPs.

Lovely stuff

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 04:06 AM

My live experiences are slim to none, but I do love me some recorded jazz a hell of a lot.

I dare say it's the best music genre there is.  Inherently.

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Very true.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 05:22 AM

My main problem is that the jazz I listen to is all the established classics from the 60's and whatnot like miles davis, coltrane, and wayne shorter. I don't know any jazz from active musicians for the most part. Although there is going to be a herbie hancock concert I plan on going to in february.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 05:34 AM

my dad just bought the latest dennis chambers cd.

he's seen miles davis, the mahavisnu orchestra, buddy rich, and tons of other real oldtime jazz guys live.

i like a lot of jazz guys, since i grew up with it, especially old fusion. not shitty new fusion. but i particularly like miles, zorn, coltrane, sun ra, ornette coleman, hancock, and the mahavisnu orchestra.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 09:07 AM

my dad just bought the latest i like a lot of jazz guys, since i grew up with it, especially old fusion. not shitty new fusion. but i particularly like miles, zorn, coltrane, sun ra, ornette coleman, hancock, and the mahavisnu orchestra.

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exactly the same with me.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:05 PM

My live experiences are slim to none, but I do love me some recorded jazz a hell of a lot.

I dare say it's the best music genre there is.  Inherently.

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oh you should really try to go and see a good jazzband. I mean it's an entirely different thing than to listen to the records.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:06 PM

My main problem is that the jazz I listen to is all the established classics from the 60's and whatnot like miles davis, coltrane, and wayne shorter.  I don't know any jazz from active musicians for the most part.  Although there is going to be a herbie hancock concert I plan on going to in february.

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Oh but Mike Stern has played with miles in the 70's and with jaco pastorius. You should see him he's great. :ol_biggrin:

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:39 PM

i have little experience at all really.
My gran has some great old jazz records, like really early ones, there is a series of them of which the name slips my mind, but its got a lot of improv. stuff its really great.

Live, ive only seen Eduardo Niebla, a jazz flamenco guitarist, was really great. He used to be in a spanish band i think.

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 04:17 AM

Was dennis ripping?
and i would have to say that sun ra and his magical space Awkestra is my favourite jazz band, very weird stuff

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 04:28 AM

I still don't think I'll ever be able to get over Herbie Hancock's and John Coltrane's respective groups in the 70s and 60s. The musicianship and musicality, bombast and experimentation are just so fucking amazing. Plus, I've always loved Miles Davis (all his bands), Thelonius Monk, Charles Mingus, Mahavishnu Orchestra (and Shakti) in addition to a lot of the Brazilian jazz masters (Bonfa, Jobim).

Also, there's so much out there, especially older stuff that influenced those who I listened to the most, that I still feel like I really have to mine and listen to like Dizzy and Charlie Parker and Coleman Hawkins. It's almost like a godsend that jazz is in a so-called "fallow" period, right now because it allows you to catch up with so much great music. With rock and rap, you have to search, but with jazz, everyday you can find something that approaches or achieves masterpiece status.

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 03:52 PM

three words is all i needto explain my appreciation:

kind.

of.

mahfuckin'.

BLUE.

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 05:51 PM

My main problem is that the jazz I listen to is all the established classics from the 60's and whatnot like miles davis, coltrane, and wayne shorter.  I don't know any jazz from active musicians for the most part.  Although there is going to be a herbie hancock concert I plan on going to in february.

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Oh but Mike Stern has played with miles in the 70's and with jaco pastorius. You should see him he's great. :ol_biggrin:

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you should also check out the bad plus. I saw them a month or so ago, and the put on the best show i have ever seen. ever. they are incredibly talented and tight as a band. the music they play is definately jazz, but with a lot of non-jazz influences in it.

here's their tour schedule:

November
11 DULUTH, MN — University of Minnesota-Duluth
12 MENOMONIE, WI — University of Wisconsin-Stout
13 ANN ARBOR, MI — Michigan Theatre (w/ EST)
15 CHICAGO, IL — Aragon Ballroom (w/ The Pixies)
26 LONDON, ENGLAND — Jazz Cafe
28 BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND — Glee Club
30 CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND — Kettles Yard Gallery

December
1 LEEDS, ENGLAND — Wardrobe
2 BRISTOL, ENGLAND — St. Georges
3 SOUTHAMPTON, ENGLAND — Turner Sims Concert Hall
4 MANCHESTER, ENGLAND — Royal Northern College of Music
5 EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND — Queens Hall
6 ABERDEEN, SCOTLAND — Lemon Tree
8-10 TEL AVIV, ISRAEL — Zappa
27 MINNEAPOLIS, MN — The Dakota
28 MINNEAPOLIS, MN — The Dakota
29 MINNEAPOLIS, MN — The Dakota

January
4 CAMBRIDGE, MA — Regattabar
5 CAMBRIDGE, MA — Regattabar
6 CAMBRIDGE, MA — Regattabar
8 CAMBRIDGE, MA — Regattabar

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 01:38 AM

three words is all i needto explain my appreciation:

kind.

of.

mahfuckin'.

BLUE.

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If all you've heard is Kind of Blue, then jazz is being grossly underrepresented to you. As good as that album is.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 01:47 AM

Very true.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 01:56 AM

Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers are gnarly. I have a live cd which opens with Blakey saying that "applause is the food for the musician" so we should all clap so hard we "make them blow their damn brains out"

Simarooskimoose would love this thread...but he's in Finland. Lets have a moment of clicking fingers on his behalf....

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:08 AM

for newer sounds of jazz check out...
jaga jazzist
pink freud
squarepusher's music is rotted one note
jan jelinek's loop finding jazz records
free all beats
tortoise has alot of jazz elements (viberaphone, marimba)
fennesz
do make say think
four tet
jim o' rourke




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