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#1 Haplo

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:26 AM

Does anyone know the Alice Coltrane (I think it was her) song that Omar is accused of ripping off for the main riff of Goliath/ Rapid Fire Tollbooth? It was a sweet song, and I want to hear it again.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:41 AM

Does anyone know the Alice Coltrane (I think it was her) song that Omar is accused of ripping off for the main riff of Goliath/ Rapid Fire Tollbooth? It was a sweet song, and I want to hear it again.

No it wasnt Alice Coltrane.. It was a singer named Betty Davis, and yeah the riffs are pretty much the exact same

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:31 AM

what song?

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:53 AM

that's what he's asking smart guy
yeah i wanna hear this again too

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:10 AM

I think it was called Lone Ranger or something.

EDIT:
http://listen.groove..._Ranger/4004482

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:23 AM

song is sexy

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:27 AM

a hey hey

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:50 AM

A-hahahaha it's totally true! Good song. ^____________^

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:23 AM

thin accusation. there are so many "riffs" out there that it's bound to happen. It's missing many key elements that make the goliath riff unique. particularly the change to the IV followed by the flat V.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:02 AM

nothing alike, that's like saying Cedric covered White heaven during Lucy on september 11th

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 11:19 AM

Cats foot iron claw
Neuro-surgeons scream for more
At paranoias poison door.
Twenty first century schizoid man.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:22 PM

Thank you guys!

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:55 PM

Makes me want to hear an even SLOWER version by TMV...

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:37 PM

Cats foot iron claw
Neuro-surgeons scream for more
At paranoias poison door.
Twenty first century schizoid man.


haha, this is my ringtone :D

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:40 PM

thin accusation. there are so many "riffs" out there that it's bound to happen. It's missing many key elements that make the goliath riff unique. particularly the change to the IV followed by the flat V.





Still, the riff is very 'unique' and phrasing is exact... so one couldn't help but assume that the song was 'modeled' after this riff. All the other changes he made were to cover it up and make it his own.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:23 AM

there are two notes. that are similar.

two notes, out of a twelve tone western scale. it's not unlikely that those two notes would be similar. so there's that, then there's the rhythm... which is only similar for the first two bars. which is short considering that it is an eight bar riff. the rhythm goes:

[1/4-1/4-1/2] [1/4-1/4 half rest] which isn't an uncommon rhythm. in fact it kind of reflects a reggae "one-drop" feel, though it throws you off that it's really dropping the three.


my point: find me proof that omar has heard this song before, and he may have consciously or subconsciously copied this song (you can get sued for subconsciously stealing from other copyrighted works, a la George Harrison) or I say that it is merely coincidence... coming from a musician, composer, and music lover's standpoint.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:38 AM

RFT>the lone ranger>goliath

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 01:41 AM

Cryptomnesia imo

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 01:55 AM

it is a very unique riff. VERY UNIQUE. think about it...haha

the coolest riff ever by the way. when you first hear it you are like what? and then you find that groove and you are like "it feels so good"

then you realize you have been dancing for7 minutes to a song in 17. ha

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 05:13 AM

I think the vocals are really the most similar part...

1:45-2:15: "You seem to sigh away, it seems, when the world won't go away"
Goliath: "You sink your nails inside a key, while the door you shut closed up"

Soooo similar


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