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How many songs do you have in your library?


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Poll: Library Size (9 member(s) have cast votes)

How many songs do you have in your music library?

  1. 0 - 1,000 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 1,000 - 5,000 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. 5,000 - 10,000 (3 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. 10,000 - 20,000 (2 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  5. 20,000 - 40,000 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  6. 40,000 - 50,000 (1 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  7. 50,000 - 70,000 (2 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  8. 70,000 - 100,000 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  9. 100,000+ (1 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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#21 swoonlp

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:15 PM

I listen to so much music in the long term musicians will probably get more money from me from streams that if I bought all their albums.


I'm inclined to think that's the most ludicrous reason to justify being on Spotify.

They do get most through gigs, and merch.
But holy shit, you're deluded I'd you think you're making people earn actual money through streaming their stuff on Spotify.

Buying their releases on bandcamp equals an ungodly amount of plays. It's not even funny.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:32 PM

Spotify is awful for paying artists. My band put up a few tracks with maybe a combined 20k streams. I now have a $0.26 cheque on the wall haha. It usually works out to around .006 cents a stream.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:23 PM

kevin parker of tame impala on streams, piracy, buying stuff, etc:

"i feel like music will be free sooner or later, and i think I'm all for it. There's all this talk of music needing a monetary value, this ownership of music, even that it needs a physical form. But intrinsically... it's MUSIC, it should be better than that. Some of my most important musical experiences were from a burnt CD with songs my friend downloaded for me at a terrible digital quality... I didn't care... it changed my life all the same. For me the value of music is the value you extract from it. You want to know a story? Up until recently, from all of tame impala's record sales outside of australia I had received.... zero dollars. Someone high up spent the money before it got to me. I may never get that money. Then Blackberry and some tequila brand or something put my song in an ad. Then I bought a house and set up a studio. I know what you're thinking... "wait so...when I bought an album I was helping some businessman pay for his mansion on an island somewhere, and when some dude bought a mobile phone he was helping to pay an artist? WHHHYY?" I'll tell you why, IT'S MONEY. It doesn't always go where you want it to go. It's like a shopping trolley with a bung wheel. As far as I'm concerned the best thing you can do for an artist is LISTEN to the music...fall in love with it.......talk about it.........get it however you can get it....Let the corporations pay for. This is just my brain rambling remember, I'm sure there are holes in my theories... for example I realise not everyone's music is suited to a mobile phone ad, and it would be lame if artists tailored their music for that purpose."

 

spotify is legal. period. it's musicians and labels jobs to make spotify and other services to pay them adequate sums. i pay 2$ per month for my preferred streaming service. i would love to pay more if they'd pay artists more. So, in the words of Kevin, if you buy physical album, that doesn't actually mean you gave money to the artist



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:55 AM

They do get most through gigs, and merch.
definitely, in fact I'd prefer a button I could click and just sent money to a band account or something like that, which is more or less what bandcamp does save for the percentage they take. But even bands that aren't signed to big labels often don't have bandcamp accounts.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:35 AM

Bandcamp is an excellent platform!

Spotify is objectively a piece of shit entity to the artists, as are most streaming services. It's not that the subscription price is too low, it's that the overwhelming majority of revenue goes straight to spotify instead of the artist (and I'm not talking 90%, it's way higher than that). You would need to get 200000 streams in a month just to make minimum wage.

It's a broken industry.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:03 AM

Doesn't seem like it's working for them even

 

"Better deals with music labels may have helped Spotify, but the company is still losing money, according to The Information. Spotify declined to comment."

https://www.cnbc.com...ins-growth.html

 

Still, some bands have apparently come to terms with the fact that they need to tour to survive and see streaming platforms as a way to get their music too people. When Bandcamp started growing I had hopes more bands would move into that platform exponentially but it seems it's taking really long for the situation to change. Some relatively young bands have started their own labels but then they sell their music through traditional platforms.

It reminds me of independent gaming studios vs having a contract with a publisher, the later pretty much forces you to reach impossible sales numbers because of the huge ammount of money publishers spend on marketing, while other studios working independently have been able to break even with just a fraction of the sales numbers because they're running everything themselves with a more realistic approach in terms of scope and reach,



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:19 AM

I mean I wrote this six years ago but ok.

 

Selling records is like selling bottled water. Shit is free everywhere but you've got to convince people they're getting a higher quality product, something tangible, or something classier that speaks to a sign value over a use value.



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 05:44 PM

According to Spotify I have listened to 9050 different songs in the last 10 years, the most scrobbled was Cotopaxi followed by the whole Polaris album by Tesseract



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Posted 14 December 2018 - 09:10 PM

I'm with powdered toast.  I have Spotify because it's a great app and allows me to have access to tons of music wherever I am pretty much.  

 

I buy just as much physical music as I did before, but it's a pain in the ass to download mp3's for every new album and then have enough storage on a device for all my music to take with me.

 

And the last time I checked, artists don't have to join spotify or other streaming services.  It's their choice or their label's choice.  The way artists make money has changed a lot over the last 20 years.  They (or you) can either continue to bitch and moan about streaming services or learn to adapt. Most of the ones not willing to adapt, save for those that already have a strong following (see Tool), will get left in the dust.

 

The guy from Tame Impala makes great points that have been made by other artists.  I almost have the same type of story as he did.  I never really fell in love with music (in general) until the dawn of Napster and being able to easily access and listen to all kinds of music that I probably would have never heard otherwise.  This led me to discovering tons of bands, buying their concert tickets, physical CD's / vinyl, merch, etc.  Streaming services should be a net positive for artists that know how to leverage it into new opportunities.



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Posted 15 December 2018 - 01:25 AM

I buy just as much physical music as I did before, but it's a pain in the ass to download mp3's for every new album and then have enough storage on a device for all my music to take with me.

Yeah that's the downside, but at the same time if you live in an underdeveloped country like mine it means data isn't cheap and the wifi coverage is bad so I have to pre-download everything on Spotify before travelling (actually just the stuff I listen to more regularly but it still takes up a few GBs). I try to buy from the band as directly as I can as well.



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Posted 15 December 2018 - 06:26 AM

Tobias Forge Admits Ghost Hasn't Made 'Any Money Whatsoever' From Hundreds of Concerts: The Only Thing That Sustained This Band Are T-Shirt Sales

https://www.ultimate...hirt_sales.html

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 02:08 PM

11097 tracks, 262,7GB, a lot of it is in FLAC format.

Fuck streaming.



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Posted 15 December 2018 - 06:24 PM

I’d say Ghost needs a new manager or something because they are shitty at business if they can’t even turn a profit on ticket sales, assuming they get decent crowds.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 07:11 PM

having managed a respectably sized band for three years, i can assuredly say tickets are definitely a big thing and this ghost (maybe he's not getting paid because he ded?) guy has a shit deal with his manager and a lazy booking agent and accountant. on a given night you're way more likely to pull in more dosh from the door than merch; i can't recall seeing a time where the merch made more than 50% of the guarantee which in itself was somewhat rare. that's obviously not a given as there are no such thing in the entertainment industry but it by and large tracked at a rate where the more you're getting from the door the more you're likely to get from merch, but it still wouldn't really break that barrier unless you had a shit load of new high priced stuff in a good market and even then - no guarantees. if it weren't for spotify that'd likely be different because more CDs would get bought, which have an extremely high profit margin compared to clothing or prints. spotify is definitely a killer. why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? even with prog rock where packaging usually gets more attention and respect than it would in other genres such as hip hop or pop, the trend is still downward. so fuck 'em and be mindful of how many slices are in the pie






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