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#1 indrossi

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:30 AM

Dear all.

I went to bed last night amused that the little fascist would respond to my baiting with a threat of violence, a threat of murder no less, typed out on his wee keyboard and sent half the world over, in what? An attempt to intimidate me?
 

 

 

 

Look who it is. How was Charlottesville?

Are you accusing me of being a white nationalist?
Nah dude, you're front row punch a nazi all day long. I assumed you were there with BLM, out of solidarity. Glad you got out OK.

It's a good thing this is just a message board, because the last thing you would want to feel are my red-blooded hands around your neck. And believe me, those fuckers don't let up.

But I woke up thinking that this is just plain unacceptable.

I was being tasteless, crude even, and perhaps slanderous, but it was lighthearted enough and I was only repeating a joke that had been doing the rounds here - that Fubar was in Charlottesville hence we hadn't seen him for days. I was not the first to make this joke.

And whilst I also feel it says far more about him, that he would resort to an actual threat of violence, in response to words on a screen – I also feel like this has crossed a line. It's not "I'll punch you in the face" – he's threatening to choke me until I die, and citing previous with regard to the effectiveness of said choke (on consideration, those last words are perhaps the most troubling). I have, as well, on numerous occassions in the past, defended Fubar's right to free speech.

Call me a liberal idealist, Yavi can call me a hippy – but I don't particularly want to associate myself with people who choke other people, and certainly not people who use violence as a means of political first response, nor frequent a forum where death threats are an acceptable form of conversation. I'm not writing this out of any particular fear that our pet racist would ever get the balls to fly to the UK and find me, but why am I even having to make that distinction? Threats of physical violence and murder have no place in civilised discourse, and should have no place here.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:59 PM

Yep. I saw that post and was a little shocked. I mean we all make jokes here. But to talk about choking someone to death if they met up in real life, without even a hint of levity, was IMO, at the very least, really tasteless.

I mean I thought the worst was when Floobes threatened to send Dylan a suspicious package months ago. And that didn't sound like a joke either.

I posted the official Coma etiquette rules as a joke because we all break them regularly. But also there should probably be a line not to cross?

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:25 PM

He's been doing the "I'm gonna kick your ass" thing for awhile now. Never really took it that seriously, but I guess now that we live in the world of Mad Max: Fury Road, nothing is the same.



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 12:30 AM

Yep. I saw that post and was a little shocked. I mean we all make jokes here. But to talk about choking someone to death if they met up in real life, without even a hint of levity, was IMO, at the very least, really tasteless.
I mean I thought the worst was when Floobes threatened to send Dylan a suspicious package months ago. And that didn't sound like a joke either.
I posted the official Coma etiquette rules as a joke because we all break them regularly. But also there should probably be a line not to cross?


All this.

I was kind of shocked tbh. I expected an lol or something to signify that he wasn't serious. Or that he was quoting a movie or something. Maybe he was?

I know Fubes takes a lot of heat for his political ideals... I guess he gets fed up. But I'd say he owes you an apology and an explanation at the very least. We are all just regular people at the end of the day. Sometimes we say or do things that are wrong. Fair enough. But we should own up and make amends.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:23 AM

B& IMO

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:28 PM

I know it's not polite and I know it aint right, I don't know your name miss I don't wanna fight. But you're looking real fine and you're looking real tight, I was thinking maybe we could get in my ride.



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:34 PM

Sigh. Keeping in mind that this is a text based medium and that you and fubes, who live in different continents, have nothing but texts to hackle each other with:

You associated him with a group that contains several killers and other people that punched people into the hospital.

If you wanna call him a racist call him a racist. Don't use a very recent trauma for a whole bunch of people as a way to play out your childish and useless ongoing cat and mouse game with fubar. That's lacking of taste and respect.

You can call your shit a joke (whereas fubar's remark according to you is not a joke, why? because it's violent? isn't calling someone a murderer a form of violence as well? why is your remark a joke, and fubar's is not?). You can even mea culpa it and say you were being tasteless yourself, but you still called fubar, indirectly and sneakily, a murderer or a violent protester who might have blood on his hands.

If you would have done that to me i wouldn't have been happy with you either. remember when armando was banned, partly because he was calling everyone who didn't agree with him nazis?? you of course are not doing it directly, because you're too smart for that. not everyone who supports trump is a nazi. to fucking umbrella term all this recent shit all the time is actually making shit harder to solve because all assholes become categorized together. call nazis nazis, call idiots idiots. not all idiots are nazis. and not all nazis are idiots. remember big motherfuckers like goebbels and, well, hitler, who almost won the war for a while? they were not stupid at all. but they were definitely nazis. that trump doesn't put a stop to nazis doesn't make him a nazi, it makes him a bad president. a bad president needs a different counter attack than a nazi. that a bunch of white unemployed people who have been fed the news since forever that migrants are to blame for their lack of success, vote for trump, doesn't make them trump. trump needs to be dealt with in one way, his supporters in another way. now just because some people support trump and trump doesn't stop nazis, doesn't make all trump supporters nazis. this is basic logic. most nazis will of course be trump supporters, but that does not mean that all trump supporters are therefore nazis. if only the world was so easy. deal with nazis by incarcerating them, deal with trump by deposing him, deal with trump supporters by educating them. that last one is smth that normal people could help with (and not even that much). the other two things are not up to us and will never ever be solved by the smartest badass on the internet.

That fubar's response is even more tasteless than yours doesn't white wash your own shit. Don't be a hypocrite.

Either keep provoking this rock loving small minded oklahomite that you have nothing to do with and deal with the fact that the guy, who clearly is rhetorically less strong than you (congrats), will fight back with his own approach, that is, i repeat, textbased, and as a form of text equally hurtful and/or empty as your provocations;

Or, just stop wasting your time with this dude. You don't actually think youre ever going to change his mind about anything? Can you maybe start to admit that most of your convos with fubes are based on vanity? You're not the only one who likes to read his own words back dude.

Save your talents for things that are fun, like Music reviews, or actually go and protest or fight nazis or whatever hipsters in coffeeshops are tweeting about these days (as our fav millenials and their iphones have by now enriched our collective intelligence with ever so many memes -about- punching nazis, i cannot help but wonder how many of these young upset citizens of the civilised world will actually ever punch anyone for reals, also since when is the best response to systemic violence to become a horrible little badass macho about it on the internet? is a hipster barking on the internet that THIS IS NOT OK, HELLO LOOK AT MY MEME ABOUT IT! IT'S ALL IRONIC AND CONTAINS LIKE TWO FUCKING MASS MEDIA REFERENCES BRO really helping change the system that allows forms of systemic violence like nazism nowadays? no. he's just using the newest news fact as an excuse to not do actual stuff. the ultimate procrastination: being angry at people! from the safe space of the screen! start a political party, do an actual protest, punch a bunch of nazis, but stop being all like 'oh my god duuuude if i EVER see a nazi i will FUCK HIM UP. seriously it's pathetic.

this last part is actually not even really directed towards you, it just reflects my general anger at our current time's lack of a response to shit like fucking nazis. neo-nazis are forming gangs, killing people, and their opposition are busy on their phones making edgy memes about it. ugh, it seriously makes me puke.

and in your case, please Don't mutter lame incriminations to someone who lives in a different state and is actually not marching with nazis, just as you are actually not marching against them.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:27 PM

...Has Fubez been b& yet

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:36 PM

But if you ban him, which con man are you guys gonna use to shameless flaunt your holier-than-thou opinions about news facts that appeared on your fb walls?

In fact, if banning fubar means that we can close ctc, also known as the useless hell hole of people repeating each other and rehashing news facts: then yeah, ban him.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:20 PM

The board would become a peaceful ship on still waters, and everyone would welcome that.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:10 PM

Sigh. Keeping in mind that this is a text based medium and that you and fubes, who live in different continents, have nothing but texts to hackle each other with:

You associated him with a group that contains several killers and other people that punched people into the hospital.

If you wanna call him a racist call him a racist. Don't use a very recent trauma for a whole bunch of people as a way to play out your childish and useless ongoing cat and mouse game with fubar. That's lacking of taste and respect.

You can call your shit a joke (whereas fubar's remark according to you is not a joke, why? because it's violent? isn't calling someone a murderer a form of violence as well? why is your remark a joke, and fubar's is not?). You can even mea culpa it and say you were being tasteless yourself, but you still called fubar, indirectly and sneakily, a murderer or a violent protester who might have blood on his hands.

If you would have done that to me i wouldn't have been happy with you either. remember when armando was banned, partly because he was calling everyone who didn't agree with him nazis?? you of course are not doing it directly, because you're too smart for that. not everyone who supports trump is a nazi. to fucking umbrella term all this recent shit all the time is actually making shit harder to solve because all assholes become categorized together. call nazis nazis, call idiots idiots. not all idiots are nazis. and not all nazis are idiots. remember big motherfuckers like goebbels and, well, hitler, who almost won the war for a while? they were not stupid at all. but they were definitely nazis. that trump doesn't put a stop to nazis doesn't make him a nazi, it makes him a bad president. a bad president needs a different counter attack than a nazi. that a bunch of white unemployed people who have been fed the news since forever that migrants are to blame for their lack of success, vote for trump, doesn't make them trump. trump needs to be dealt with in one way, his supporters in another way. now just because some people support trump and trump doesn't stop nazis, doesn't make all trump supporters nazis. this is basic logic. most nazis will of course be trump supporters, but that does not mean that all trump supporters are therefore nazis. if only the world was so easy. deal with nazis by incarcerating them, deal with trump by deposing him, deal with trump supporters by educating them. that last one is smth that normal people could help with (and not even that much). the other two things are not up to us and will never ever be solved by the smartest badass on the internet.

That fubar's response is even more tasteless than yours doesn't white wash your own shit. Don't be a hypocrite.

Either keep provoking this rock loving small minded oklahomite that you have nothing to do with and deal with the fact that the guy, who clearly is rhetorically less strong than you (congrats), will fight back with his own approach, that is, i repeat, textbased, and as a form of text equally hurtful and/or empty as your provocations;

Or, just stop wasting your time with this dude. You don't actually think youre ever going to change his mind about anything? Can you maybe start to admit that most of your convos with fubes are based on vanity? You're not the only one who likes to read his own words back dude.

Save your talents for things that are fun, like Music reviews, or actually go and protest or fight nazis or whatever hipsters in coffeeshops are tweeting about these days (as our fav millenials and their iphones have by now enriched our collective intelligence with ever so many memes -about- punching nazis, i cannot help but wonder how many of these young upset citizens of the civilised world will actually ever punch anyone for reals, also since when is the best response to systemic violence to become a horrible little badass macho about it on the internet? is a hipster barking on the internet that THIS IS NOT OK, HELLO LOOK AT MY MEME ABOUT IT! IT'S ALL IRONIC AND CONTAINS LIKE TWO FUCKING MASS MEDIA REFERENCES BRO really helping change the system that allows forms of systemic violence like nazism nowadays? no. he's just using the newest news fact as an excuse to not do actual stuff. the ultimate procrastination: being angry at people! from the safe space of the screen! start a political party, do an actual protest, punch a bunch of nazis, but stop being all like 'oh my god duuuude if i EVER see a nazi i will FUCK HIM UP. seriously it's pathetic.

this last part is actually not even really directed towards you, it just reflects my general anger at our current time's lack of a response to shit like fucking nazis. neo-nazis are forming gangs, killing people, and their opposition are busy on their phones making edgy memes about it. ugh, it seriously makes me puke.

and in your case, please Don't mutter lame incriminations to someone who lives in a different state and is actually not marching with nazis, just as you are actually not marching against them.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:33 AM

Thanks Carl, a good post with lots to consider. Let me try, in parts.

If you wanna call him a racist call him a racist. Don't use a very recent trauma for a whole bunch of people as a way to play out your childish and useless ongoing cat and mouse game with fubar. That's lacking of taste and respect.

Ok, he's a racist. In the British Stuff thread, when unable to cite any socialist policies that were destroying the country as he'd claimed, he reverted down to his core bones of contention: our gun laws and our succesful multiculturalism. The belief in ethno-state purity might not necessarily make you a Nazi, but it does make you a racist - and in this case, literally, a white nationalist. If Fubes doesn't want me accusing him of being a racist or a white nationalist, he should stop behaving like a racist white nationalist.

You associated him with a group that contains several killers and other people that punched people into the hospital.

Yes, I did. Quattro Benagia was the first, by the way - a few pages back, but besides the point. I didn't accuse him of being a killer, but he's exactly the kind of ignorant, privileged fuck who would go to one of those rallies on a free speech principle or "for the lulz" (which will be the "was just following orders" of the American Nuremberg trials.) Look at this fucker. No ideology, probably no serious racism, but happy to go along with the crowd, have fun yelling "white power" and calling people cucks. This is what the far right and inherent privilege does to people. And yes, absolutely I believe that Fubes could be that kid.

You can call your shit a joke (whereas fubar's remark according to you is not a joke, why? because it's violent? isn't calling someone a murderer a form of violence as well? why is your remark a joke, and fubar's is not?). You can even mea culpa it and say you were being tasteless yourself, but you still called fubar, indirectly and sneakily, a murderer or a violent protester who might have blood on his hands.

If you would have done that to me i wouldn't have been happy with you either. remember when armando was banned, partly because he was calling everyone who didn't agree with him nazis?? you of course are not doing it directly, because you're too smart for that. not everyone who supports trump is a nazi. to fucking umbrella term all this recent shit all the time is actually making shit harder to solve because all assholes become categorized together. call nazis nazis, call idiots idiots. not all idiots are nazis. and not all nazis are idiots. remember big motherfuckers like goebbels and, well, hitler, who almost won the war for a while? they were not stupid at all. but they were definitely nazis. that trump doesn't put a stop to nazis doesn't make him a nazi, it makes him a...

Nazi sympethiser? For the rest, see above. I didn't accuse Fubes of supporting Nazism, as that kid on the link isn't a Nazi. Nazis had ideology, dogma, political thinking, they were serious and organised. I am absolutely terrified about the weapons cache found outside Charlottesville, and suggestions that there may be many more hidden around the country. The danger is that however uninformed, however poorly read and ignorant of truth and love these people are, they are incredibly well armed – and that ignorant, priviliged white folk like that kid, like Fubar – who should be angry, at the system, at corrupt Washington, at transnational capital, at the Saudis, at the Russians, at banks, at multinationals, at their own government, of course people should be angry – will misdirect their anger and privilege into tacit support for for white nationalists, American Nazis and outright racism. Why? Because it doesn't affect them and they were just doing it for the lolz.

Or, just stop wasting your time with this dude. You don't actually think youre ever going to change his mind about anything? Can you maybe start to admit that most of your convos with fubes are based on vanity? You're not the only one who likes to read his own words back dude.

Save your talents for things that are fun.

Sage counsel and greatly appreciated. Perspective is important sometimes. Of course I've long given up trying to change his opinion and at this point am just poking him with a stick. You're entirely correct that such behaviour is unedifying and without reward.

just as you are actually not marching against them.

Am too. Broke up two EDL marches in the last few years with beautiful comrades and if Richard Spencer bothers to show up in a few weeks and doesn't chicken out, I'll be there to say hi.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:24 AM

...Has Fubez been b& yet

 

yes.



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:25 AM

I banned Fubar today. Say what you will be he's the constant disruptive asshole that a lot of people have a problem with. Not sure how many warnings you can give someone.

I'm considering taking a little timeout break from the internet so if anyone has anything they'd like me to respond to please do so now.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:48 AM

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:29 AM

Censoring people like Fubes is only gonna radicalize them even further. But ok.



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 05:03 AM

wasn't fubar a donor lol



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 06:59 AM

wasn't fubar a donor lol

 

LOLL

 

 

for the record.. all i did was voice my opinion in this thread about fubar's posts. i didn't do anything else to help get him banned, in case anyone thought that, since he was the frieza to my goku. i could have reported him to the mods but i didn't

 

not that i don't think he deserved it..



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:23 AM

I messaged you and Indrossi asking to formally report him based on the comments you both made. There were other people that reported him besides indrossi. If I weren't a mod I would have reported that post as well.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:33 AM

yep i understand! and i think i explained to you why i didn't report him myself with an understandable reason






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