Thanks Carl, a good post with lots to consider. Let me try, in parts.
If you wanna call him a racist call him a racist. Don't use a very recent trauma for a whole bunch of people as a way to play out your childish and useless ongoing cat and mouse game with fubar. That's lacking of taste and respect.
Ok, he's a racist. In the British Stuff thread, when unable to cite any socialist policies that were destroying the country as he'd claimed, he reverted down to his core bones of contention: our gun laws and our succesful multiculturalism. The belief in ethno-state purity might not necessarily make you a Nazi, but it does make you a racist - and in this case, literally, a white nationalist. If Fubes doesn't want me accusing him of being a racist or a white nationalist, he should stop behaving like a racist white nationalist.
You associated him with a group that contains several killers and other people that punched people into the hospital.
Yes, I did. Quattro Benagia was the first, by the way - a few pages back, but besides the point. I didn't accuse him of being a killer, but he's exactly the kind of ignorant, privileged fuck who would go to one of those rallies on a free speech principle or "for the lulz" (which will be the "was just following orders" of the American Nuremberg trials.) Look at
this fucker. No ideology, probably no serious racism, but happy to go along with the crowd, have fun yelling "white power" and calling people cucks. This is what the far right and inherent privilege does to people. And yes, absolutely I believe that Fubes could be that kid.
You can call your shit a joke (whereas fubar's remark according to you is not a joke, why? because it's violent? isn't calling someone a murderer a form of violence as well? why is your remark a joke, and fubar's is not?). You can even mea culpa it and say you were being tasteless yourself, but you still called fubar, indirectly and sneakily, a murderer or a violent protester who might have blood on his hands.
If you would have done that to me i wouldn't have been happy with you either. remember when armando was banned, partly because he was calling everyone who didn't agree with him nazis?? you of course are not doing it directly, because you're too smart for that. not everyone who supports trump is a nazi. to fucking umbrella term all this recent shit all the time is actually making shit harder to solve because all assholes become categorized together. call nazis nazis, call idiots idiots. not all idiots are nazis. and not all nazis are idiots. remember big motherfuckers like goebbels and, well, hitler, who almost won the war for a while? they were not stupid at all. but they were definitely nazis. that trump doesn't put a stop to nazis doesn't make him a nazi, it makes him a...
Nazi sympethiser? For the rest, see above. I didn't accuse Fubes of supporting Nazism, as that kid on the link isn't a Nazi. Nazis had ideology, dogma, political thinking, they were serious and organised. I am absolutely terrified about the weapons cache found outside Charlottesville, and suggestions that there may be many more hidden around the country. The danger is that however uninformed, however poorly read and ignorant of truth and love these people are, they are incredibly well armed – and that ignorant, priviliged white folk like that kid, like Fubar – who should be angry, at the system, at corrupt Washington, at transnational capital, at the Saudis, at the Russians, at banks, at multinationals, at their own government, of course people should be angry – will misdirect their anger and privilege into tacit support for for white nationalists, American Nazis and outright racism. Why? Because it doesn't affect them and they were just doing it for the lolz.
Or, just stop wasting your time with this dude. You don't actually think youre ever going to change his mind about anything? Can you maybe start to admit that most of your convos with fubes are based on vanity? You're not the only one who likes to read his own words back dude.
Save your talents for things that are fun.
Sage counsel and greatly appreciated. Perspective is important sometimes. Of course I've long given up trying to change his opinion and at this point am just poking him with a stick. You're entirely correct that such behaviour is unedifying and without reward.
just as you are actually not marching against them.
Am too. Broke up two EDL marches in the last few years with beautiful comrades and if Richard Spencer bothers to show up in a few weeks and doesn't chicken out, I'll be there to say hi.
