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Old Live TMV Jams on Old Money


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#1 flipzoso

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:22 AM

Old Money is very exciting as it contains quite a few live TMV jams.

Track 01 - The Power of Myth - the main hook is very similar to Pre-Wax
Track 03 - Population Council - bass line and other parts are found within the KROQ Abortion jam from 2005 (1:50 starts)
Track 07 - Family War - very beginning and very end contain the basslines from the early Veil jams. (4:19)
Track 08 - Vipers - is used as the intro to Ouroborous
Track 09 - Rockefellers - main riff is from the Intro to Drunkships(1:40) from mid/late 2003 *thanks jtrippy
Track 10 - Old Money - bass line is same as Post-Widow jam from 2006 (played in Chicago, Milwaukee, and Toronto)


Anything else?

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:31 AM

sick job compiling these. ouroborous sounds like a little bit of a stretch though.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:39 AM

Track 05 - Trilateral Commission - Picture the hectic part around 3mins sped up, does it equal this rehearsal jam with Deantoni ???

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:40 AM

A stretch, yes, but the parallels can DEFINITELY be heard. Whether they're exact corollaries or not, there's definitely some cross-referencing and cross-fertilization going on. More than even Se Dice, this album gives some insight into Omar's creative process when it comes to TMV.

One thing I think would have fit perfectly on here is the Bufalo end credits and corresponding Britain '08 jam. I'm really glad to see the Aragon Widow jam riff find a studio home. Also, I wish he would have rocked out that Veil jam in Family War a bit more, but it might have risked sounding like a recycling. Not that that's bad or unfamiliar territory for Omar, though.

In essence, I'd think this album would be a live Volta head's studio wet dream. Can't believe how awesomely Omar pulled through on this. Now I just wonder how much of it was the pressure Stones Throw put on him. I'm gonna give Omar the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's just a coincidence that his first truly classic solo work was released on a significant label that wasn't his.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:48 AM

Track 05 - Trilateral Commission - Picture the hectic part around 3mins sped up, does it equal this rehearsal jam with Deantoni ???



I'm gonna say no, because on the video you can hear the bass playing the riff as a 4 count, but on the album its more of an 8 count.

Similiar, but I don't think it's the same song.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:53 AM

Track 05 - Trilateral Commission - Picture the hectic part around 3mins sped up, does it equal this rehearsal jam with Deantoni ???


i totally hear it. makes sense since he was recording this stuff right after amputechture.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:54 AM

Flip's point is easy to dismiss, but I think he's right. I'm not SUPER finely honed when it comes to distinguishing notes, but I think that the difference is that in the vid, juan goes back to the bass note instead of going up an octave or playing a seventh, I can't tell which. I definitely see the correlation, at least as strongly as any others that have been made. I would argue that it's as similar to that riff as the Widow jam riff is to the Old Money riff -- slightly different, but definitely connected beyond mere coincidence.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 03:57 AM

The people want the old Drunkship jam recorded.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:03 AM

yeah, upon more listening I have a feeling that the video was from an alternate take, perhaps before the final version. Hard to tell with that vid tho ! Yet Omar probably saw it and decided he wanted the drums to sound like that at the end.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:12 AM

It's only a digital release?

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:26 AM

It's only a digital release?


CD/LP January 27

... a week after Frusciante's The Empyrean, I might add.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:34 AM

i fucking love omar. he's easily the best musician in rock right now

around the 3:50 mark in Old Money it sort of sounds like something from Roulette Dares ala the Indie 101.3 recording.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:17 AM

Rodriguez Lopez has hinted that this record was a potential follow up to the 2006 Volta release Amputechture until he changed his musical direction.


aka TP joined the band. I bet if Deantoni stayed permanent, LP4 would have been very similar to this. How fucking sick would've that been! Old Money 2008 tour.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:22 AM

The people want the old Drunkship jam recorded.


this. but i'd rather just have a live cd with it. the drunkship jam in any other song other than drunkship just wouldn't be the same. they're still playing it though so i wouldn't be surprised if they released a TP version.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 12:20 PM

1921 sounds like this one instrumental on Se Dice Bisonte No Bufalo in a lower tempo.

I forgot if it was thermometer or if gravity lulls...

one of this two.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:37 PM

so do we yet have any clue who's playing drums on these songs? i mean at times you can blatantly tell it's marcel, but other times i'm definitely sure it's someone else im just not sure. Blake? Deantoni? The ghost of christmas past aka jon theodore? Pridgmeister general?

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:40 PM

so do we yet have any clue who's playing drums on these songs? i mean at times you can blatantly tell it's marcel, but other times i'm definitely sure it's someone else im just not sure. Blake? Deantoni? The ghost of christmas past aka jon theodore? Pridgmeister general?


It's one Jon Philip Theodore, or the Ghost of Christmas Past as you put it.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:19 PM

someone say something about an intro to tetris

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:22 PM

I really don't think any of the drumming's Jon, but I could be wrong.

Back to the topic of the thread though -- the main riff in Rockefellers is the what Omar used to open Drunkship with in place of Tira Me. I don't know a specific audio boot, but if you have the 10/03/03 DVD, it's 16:20 in. It's umistakable.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:43 PM

Both Marcel and Jon drum on this I believe




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